Curse

Ju-On · Feb 09, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

I've just recently been flagshipped and wanted to get into an MMO which has been around for a while and didn't require monthly fees. After surfing around I decided on GW. Having not bought a game in 18 months I had a bit of $$$ in my gaming fund so I have bought GW:GOTY, Factions, Nightfall and EOTN.

While I want to eventually PvP, I'm more interested in solo PvE ATM to learn the ropes. I have started on Factions. I am currently at lvl 18 doing a A/Rt build. A few questions:

1. Which is the best expansion to start with? While I have read Factions is realtively easy, I've also been told that Nightfall may be better if I want to solo PvE due to heros and being able to do a A/D build.

I am at Kaineng Docks. My Current build:

LvL 18 A/Rt, 13 DM, 5 CM, 11 CS

1. Death Charge 2. Unsus Strike 3. Fox Fangs 4. Twisted Fangs 5. Death Blossum 6. Shad. Refuge 7. Dash 8. Crit Eye

I am pretty much getting pwned with the primary quests and am having alot of trouble finishing some of the harder secondary quest like Cap Son. I usually try to max henchmen and take all except the Sin.

2. What is a good beginner build to get to know Sin? I recently saw this build:

A/D

Jagged Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Moebius Strike (Elite)
Critical Defenses
Mystical Regeneration (Dervish/Nightfall)
Critical Eye
Critical Agility (Nightfall)

Try having 13 Critical Strikes for the +3 energy on crit. and 8 Earth Prayers for +3 Health Regen./Enchantment. Other that, keep your Dagger Mastery as high as you can have it.

This build will allow you to own about 85-90% of all Guild Wars content. The other 10-15%, you might have to go ranged (A/R) or tweak this build a bit. It's not the most original build, but that's because it's the best in my opinion.

You can also switch Jagged out for Golden Fox Strike or Sneak Attack (requires Eye of the North). Most other Lead Attacks won't work as well as either of the 3 I named above.

Would I be better of cutting my loses with my current build in Factions, I am seriously getting pwned and realying on henchmen hasen't helped me much, and starting a new character on Nightfall and then work my way backwards to each expansion. Any help would be appreciated

And for all the trolls: yes I am a noob and I suck

RavagerOfDreams · Feb 09, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

moebius strike is a very useful skill nowadays due to a buff

i would suggest a/d 14 dagger mastery 11 critical strikes 8 earth prayers

Golden Phoenix Strike
Death Blossom
Moebius Strike (leetness)
Critical Strike
Critical Defenses -dont have to use this one but since ur new itll help w living
Critical Agility-sunspear title rank if you dont know look it up on guildwarswiki
Mystic Regeneration

use zealous daggers if you can get em the end game factions daggers are great and very cheap

if you need ne help feel free to pm me ingame

Ju-On · Feb 09, 2008, 06:43 AM // 06:43

You beat me to it. Last question:

3. What daggers and armour should I be looking for?

fireflyry · Feb 09, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ju-On

I am at Kaineng Docks. My Current build:

LvL 18 A/Rt, 13 DM, 5 CM, 11 CS

1. Death Charge 2. Unsus Strike 3. Fox Fangs 4. Twisted Fangs 5. Death Blossum 6. Shad. Refuge 7. Dash 8. Crit Eye

Firstly I would'nt worry to much about getting "pwnd" until you reach lvl 20, get max armor and get the skills you need.

Secondly I'd look at your play style.If you full hench are you letting the hencies grab aggro before you attack, are you taking enough healing on your team, are you prioritizing your targets correctly, etc, etc.

Getting to lvl 20 should take you no more than a day or two in factions so I'd bide my time till then and just remember your pretty fragile till you get the required skills.

Good luck.

Ju-On · Feb 09, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Is there anyway to choose a Sin as primary character in Nightfall?

fireflyry · Feb 09, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Yeah fo sho as long as you have your campaigns linked to the same account it should be an option in character creation.

wetsparks · Feb 09, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18

you can't make a new character and start in nightfall and choose assassin, no. but a character starting in nightfall can eventually get assassin as a secondary class. since you are new to the game and by the sound of it just got to the mainland you probably don't have max armor or max weapons (you don't need expensive ones, collector will do). save up your money and get them. from there use the builds others talked about, i'm not great at assassin's so I won't recommend any myself.

fireflyry · Feb 09, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

Yeah he's right ^^

Once you get to Kaieng you should get the option of a quest to head over to NF.

My bad.

Bobby2 · Feb 09, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Ctrl-Shift-Space wasn't it

Calista Blackblood · Feb 09, 2008, 06:12 PM // 18:12

moebius strike is definately one of the staple skills in sin builds, but hes new, hes got a loong way to go to even think about capping it.same goes for balty faction unlock and elite tome at what 5 or 6k these days?

something like this (unless you wanna do zaishen challenge for balthazar faction and buy a tome or wait until you do eternal grove mission (kurzick) and cap moebius strike

[skill]Jagged Strike[/skill][skill]Wild Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Impale[/skill][skill]Siphon Speed[/skill] healing of choice

and [skill]Flashing Blades[/skill] which is cappable from these 2 quests

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Finding_The_Oracle
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Assist_the_Guards (the earliest point to cap FB)

DDL · Feb 09, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Henching with sins is harder than henching with other classes, anyway, because the henchies like to stay bunched up close to you:

With a caster class you can call targets and watch your melee henchies charge in, and you can apply hexes/spells whereever necessary. With a non-sin melee class you can charge into the frontline and your henchies accompany you, with the casters forming a nice backline and the melee folks backing you up.

With a sin, where you ideally want to be teleganking the enemy backline (hello monks!), you end up dragging all your henchies in because they want to stay close to you, your frontline/backline setup collapses and everything goes bad. You can flag them a bit, but that often ends up being more of a hindrance than a help when battle gets 'fluid'.

The alternative, ultimately, is just to play PvE like you're a slightly squishier warrior (crit defenses is your friend), hit the enemy frontlines, and take as many monks in your party as you can. Also take a ritualist. Henchies don't complain, thankfully.

Once you're engaged and things go fluid, you can usually make a break for the enemy monk and take him/her out without ruining your party formation.

At least, that's how I've always done it. Possibly I'm just not terribly good at this, though.

Anyway, once you get to kaineng, get over to elona and grab some heroes: that'll make all henching far, far easier.

Ju-On · Feb 10, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Thks for all the help I really appreciate it. Its seems I have a real fun journey ahead of me

Bowstring Badass · Feb 10, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Livia Dagger Rage

[skill]Jagged Strike[/skill][skill]Wild Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Impale[/skill][skill]Siphon Speed[/skill] healing of choice

and [skill]Flashing Blades[/skill] which is cappable from these 2 quests

Critical Defenses > Flashing Blades.

I ran around with no elite for most of factions because most of them were crap the most useful elite would is Moebius. Just buy it with balth then use a tome. And because you have all the games this makes it a lot easier for build choices .

Golden Fox Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Moebius Strike
Critical Agi
Critical D
Optional
Optional

And you may want to head over to EOTN or NF and get some heroes to make your PvE more enjoyable.

Once you get into higher areas don't expect to find a group. Assassins have a bad rep of dieing quickly or thinking they can "tank".

DDL · Feb 10, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Once you get into higher areas don't expect to find a group. Assassins have a bad rep of dieing quickly or thinking they can "tank".

QFT. People are getting better, but the stigma is still there.

Also, somewhat counterintuitively, going from factions to Proph or NF often necessitates a rethink of build, at least initially: the moebius blossom build is by far the best sustained damage build going..on paper, but if your foes are dying before you can actually USE moebius, it's basically wasted. For proph at least, this will be the case for most foes until the crystal desert. So be prepared to pack high-damage repeatable chains for early prophecies stuff. Assassin's promise is fairly fun here.

Anyway, play around in 'normal' areas for a good while before considering elite areas. It helps.

Bowstring Badass · Feb 10, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDL

QFT. People are getting better, but the stigma is still there.

Also, somewhat counterintuitively, going from factions to Proph or NF often necessitates a rethink of build, at least initially: the moebius blossom build is by far the best sustained damage build going..on paper, but if your foes are dying before you can actually USE moebius, it's basically wasted. For proph at least, this will be the case for most foes until the crystal desert. So be prepared to pack high-damage repeatable chains for early prophecies stuff. Assassin's promise is fairly fun here.

Anyway, play around in 'normal' areas for a good while before considering elite areas. It helps.

lol. For lowend areas I run Golden Fox Strike-Wild Strike-Critical Strike quick recharge.

FlamingMetroid · Feb 10, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ju-On

You beat me to it. Last question:

3. What daggers and armour should I be looking for?

zealous daggers are by far the best daggers for assassin in PvE.
as for armor do pretty much what ever you want, just try to keep your health over 500 if you don't bring a strong self heal (mystic regen), and I like my energy around 30.

Ju-On · Feb 10, 2008, 09:54 AM // 09:54

How easy is it to change secondary profession to dervish once I get a command post and make it to Nightfall? Where do you get zealous daggers from? I tried looking it up on Guild Wiki but couldn't find any info. Is it a tang or a handle or an actual dagger?

I didn't realise Sin had a bad rep. for grouping once they reach high levels. Not that will change anything for me. I tried ranger and just got very bored with the class when I made it off the island and to the markets. I'm really having a ball with Sin, best attack animation in the game I've seen so far. I've also rethought my basic build to include more healing skills, and things are going alot smoother now. I'm lvl 15, still on the island, but I have managed to not die yet

Which is a big improvement considering my first try as a Sin I died to a Red Yeti in the very first instance at lvl 2...I think it boils down to all the tips I've got so far, not rushing into mobs, and getting a good sit rep before starting any attach chain to make sure no other mobs, or my henchies, get tied up in aggro range.

Kale Ironfist · Feb 10, 2008, 12:55 PM // 12:55

1. Talk to the Profession Changer and pay 500 gold and you're done. If the Profession Changer isn't there, you'll have to do a few quests for him to show (though I believe he's there by default).

2. Either find the zealous dagger tangs (identify a gold dagger and expert/superior salvage), or buy them off of others.

Bobby2 · Feb 10, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Find a pair of Darkroot's Daggers (green 15^ench, +1/-1, +30HP)

Shadowmere · Feb 10, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ju-On

How easy is it to change secondary profession to dervish once I get a command post and make it to Nightfall? Where do you get zealous daggers from? I tried looking it up on Guild Wiki but couldn't find any info. Is it a tang or a handle or an actual dagger?

I didn't realise Sin had a bad rep. for grouping once they reach high levels. Not that will change anything for me. I tried ranger and just got very bored with the class when I made it off the island and to the markets. I'm really having a ball with Sin, best attack animation in the game I've seen so far. I've also rethought my basic build to include more healing skills, and things are going alot smoother now. I'm lvl 15, still on the island, but I have managed to not die yet

Which is a big improvement considering my first try as a Sin I died to a Red Yeti in the very first instance at lvl 2...I think it boils down to all the tips I've got so far, not rushing into mobs, and getting a good sit rep before starting any attach chain to make sure no other mobs, or my henchies, get tied up in aggro range.

Changing professions is easy, just pay 500 gold you're done, also it's possible to change your secondary prof to dervish at the prof changer in factions (he's at Senji's Corner I believe) as long as you've got nightfall.

The Zealous dagger upgrade is a dagger tang, they aren't super common, but speaking from experience the energy management they provide is indispensible. My assassin never runs out of energy unless there's active e-denial going on. You should be able to buy the mod for 1 or 2k or an a whole set of Zealous daggers for a bit more, if you don't feel like diving into the red text district of trade chat it is worth it to check out the auction part of the site here. It might not be quite as fast, but you won't be spending your ingame time spamming your ad in town.

And it sounds like you're really doing the assassin proffession justice, congrats on the 0 deaths. Hope you can get survivor